REBT and CBT in general have a substantial and strong research base to verify and support both their psychotherapeutic efficiency and their theoretical underpinnings. These curves are not smooth and have their own ranges of error. I am talking about explaining a piece of evidence that we all can see and look at. It Generates A Set Of Unquestionable Facts B. An advantage of Rationalism is that there is an explanation or reason for everything. We don't know what exactly was said, or what was heard. You know, physics, much faster time back then. I don't want this comment thread to devolve into an endless debate between believers and non-believers as to whether or not it is rational to accept the tenets of Judaism. Prior to modern ideas of history, and science, numbers related to events have had significance. God had to present his ideas in the context of people's mistaken beliefs/the Torah is not a science book. It Uses FMRI To Directly Measure Brain Processes C. Rationalism suggests that people are born with innate ideas, truths in a particular subject area (such as math concepts) that are part of out rational nature and we only have to bring them to the surface. Regarding allegorically interpreting Yitziyas Mitzrayim, the Exodus from Egypt, he expresses some reservations about saying it is forbidden categorically but argues that it is “safek heresy” since whatever would cause one to interpret Yitziyas Mitzrayim allegorically would logically compel one to do so with Matan Torah. The 100 talents were used to fabricate the silver bases of the tabernacle, one talent per base. Sure, any piece of music could be associated with any character or concept, but specific ones are chosen, and then kept for the duration of the piece. "You started talking about "material evidence" and then you say "argumentation". For example, rationalism cannot guarantee one will make the right choice in marriage or relationship. I therefore do not take the Torah literally when describing the events in the desert which are full of meaningful numbers. Meir, I am one of those people who doesn't treat any part of the torah as myth or allegory. I pointed out that I heard no talking, and he explained that the sound was too high pitched for the human ear. "Kathleen Kenyon determined "This has been catagorically disproven. Re: Rationalism and it's limitations by The Dharma Bum » Thu Sep 18, 2014 4:30 am rationalism is the idea that reason is how new knowledge is acquired, contrast that with empiricism which is the idea that experience is how new knowledge is acquired and skepticism which is the idea that new knowledge is acquired through doubt and thorough testing This item appears … Opinions of experts change in some areas, and don't really change in the other areas. I believe it can, and reading Torah and Tanach in this light has made the story of the text's creation fairly straight forward to me.The long of the short of it is, "What does Torah M'Sinai" mean?Because one thing is clear. There's a good article by Joshua Golding on non-literal readings of Scripture. Gamble in life cannot be totally averted through rationalism. Please see this post about the comments policy for details. And Rambam did not include belief in Yitziat Mitzrayim in his list of 13 ikkarim. (5) Motivational reasons for belief: I believe something because it's more comfortable for me to believe it than otherwise, or because otherwise I'd have to suffer physical or emotional pain, or because I just want to believe it. Where is the Rakiya? "http://machzikeihadas.blogspot.com/2009/04/critique-of-rabbi-jeremy-weiders-when.html, There's a huge difference between saying that "yetziyat mitzrayim didn't happen as described in the pashut peshat of the Torah" and saying "yetziyat mitzrayim never happened.". I don't take statements that contradict reality literally, because there is no need to.When it comes to Matan Torah and Yiziat miztrayim, I read the text of the Chumash VERY carefully. Therefore it does not hinder ones beliefs if one or two carbon datings are "off" especially since there are disagreements within Judaism as to the true clander date. How much are you willing to bet?According to Pascal’s Wager, even if there’s a very small chance that religion is correct, we should still go with it just because the alternatives are not worth the risk.However, this only helps us choose religion over atheism. Most of the training literature for negotiation and mediationsuggests that emotions should be ignored and that third party intervenersshould guide disputants toward rational behavior. Although I have not seen this addressed here, this directly touches upon what is called "The New TANACH Studies" which came out of the Yaacov Herzog-Yeshivat Har Etzion-"Megadim" group starting in the 1980's. Rationalism and empiricism only conflict when formulated to cover the same subject. It is completely rationalist to come up with rational, consistent theories of how findings can be fit into the mesora as long as these theories are self-consistent and do not make claims that are demonstrably false. Statements that contradict Tanach. C. Statements that contradict reality. "When I get the time, I will, but your direction to Rabbi Gottlieb seems to be exactly the type of biased second hand source you were dismissing earlier. Her findings were based on the absence of a specific kind of pottery, and many years after her study, they found the pottery in another section of the city. It is at: www.ybn.co.il. They're even less plausible than super-anti-rationalist Orthodox Judaism, since that at least has some arguments in its favor (attend your local Discovery seminar for a list).So we're basically left with the Big Three western religions: Judaism, Christianity, and Islam. Well, we can immediately knock out a priori assumptions, since we don't seem to a priori believe in religion. I would argue that Rationalism is the only plausible view. "Rationalist arguments would be the most convincing to most people (at least in the Western world), but it's debatable how far they can go. However, there is always a current "expert opinion". It Relies On Non-experimental Methods C. It Lacks A Theoretical Framework D. All Of The Above 2. That rationalism is sufficiently widespread that I have no problem with finding errors in history, mathematics, and nature in the talmud or Rishonim, or in interpreting the torah text in an independent fashion. If you did - please quote support (because I can't think of any). What are the limitations of rationalism? Numbers have specific meanings. Expert Answer 100% (1 rating) The term rationalist originates from the Latinratio; meaning reason. "Ameteur, gematriot are mere exercises in numerology. Both empiricism and rationalism have limitations as philosophies of knowledge. However, modern biblical archaeology likes to use the medieval timeline of the bible to try to collaborate evidence, which again, scientifically is making the whole enterprise backwards. He prayed, but the camel didn't come back, so he went to the Commander of the Faithful and said "You told me to trust in God, but my camel still left! And, along with that your reinterpretation of the flood as a non-global event. Enemy in the Mirror: Islamic Fundamentalism and the Limits of Modern Rationalism: A Work of Comparative Political Theory Eurochron UHRENBEWEGER EUB 250 Beat Euber [Explicit] Eub - Alle Produkte unter allen analysierten Eub Wie sehen die Amazon.de Rezensionen aus? The morbid logician seeks to make everything lucid, and succeeds in making everything mysterious. But, by the way, there's a huge difference between saying that "yetziyat mitzrayim didn't happen as described in the pashut peshat of the Torah" and "Matan Torah never happened. I think it's safe to say that Judaism is by far the most rational of the three. "I'm very far from an expert in this topic but last I know the story is exactly the opposite. The toad appeared to my friend's great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great .... great grandfather. "I also take the numbers recorded in the torah seriously. To those that take a non literal approach to the events of Yetziat Mitzrayim and Matan Torah as described in the Torah, based on what do you do this? If you take a non literal approach to those events, then on what to you base your belief that the Torah is the word of God? Basically, it goes as follows (slightly modified):If religion is correct: ○ Atheists and other non-believers may or may not get relatively minor pleasure in this world, but they will get infinite agony in the next. Add to My Bookmarks Export citation. But in any case they can be used to bolster other non-rationalist reasons to believe.We normally do believe assumptions given to us by our culture and society, unless we have good motivational or rational reason to doubt them. That added up to 100 talents (300,000 shekel) and 1,775 shekel. ).At one point, archeologists had 20,000 cuneiform tablets translated and published, but another 80,000 weren't, and that number keeps growing with new discoveries. "Actually, they can and have been. It Relies On Non-experimental Methods C. It Lacks A Theoretical Framework D. All Of The Above 2. He has always had one foot in earth and the other in fairyland. I had never heard of that rabbi before, but I like the articles I've read just now. It indeed counts with limitations It's not as if the numbers can be fitted into some kind of literary scheme. Unser Testerteam hat eine riesige Auswahl an Produzenten ausführlich verglichen und wir präsentieren Ihnen hier unsere Resultate. "It's not always possible to tell people to shut their minds off. In other words, you can say: "according to your own self-accepted criteria for belief, you would accept the following as true. Those are also out, since they're certainly less plausible than other religions. As you wrote so well, it's not possible to ask people to shut their minds off. "Mohammed replied "Trust in God, but first tie up your camel. I heard a speech by Prof. Moshe Sokol a few years ago, where he argued that according to many academics, there is no field of Jewish philosophy. Type Article Author(s) Graham Hillard Date 31/03/2010 Volume 68 Issue 2 Page start 140 Page end 143 DOI 10.1080/00144941003723931 OpenURL Check for local electronic subscriptions Is part of Journal Title The Explicator ISSN 0014-4940 EISSN 1939-926X Short title The Explicator. An inscription of Sargon II (722-705) states that this king extended the wall of his capital city to 16,283 cubits, which corresponds to Sargon's personal gematria. Part of this system is that one is allowed and even obligated (under certain conditions) to follow the opinions of one’s rebbi and/or rav. So any more comments like that, in either direction, will not be posted. I'm put in mind of one of Mohammed's followers whose camel wandered off. Nor is the numerical difference between the original census of the adult male Israelites at the beginning and end of their stay in the desert of much significanse. [That last line is my modification, and it's the reason why Christians rejected Pascal's argument - they realized that there's no reason why Christianity would seem logically more plausible than any other religion! You mean as opposed to "Allo akbar! If I remember correctly his point was that there can be Jewish philosophy but only in a limited sense, in other words after certain facts have been accepted. Re: Rationalism and it's limitations. That's certainly a big sacrifice to make. Many, especially in Eastern modes of thought, extend this to say that if I have an experience that makes me feel that something is true, then I accept it as true. That will be the topic of a future post. This clues the audience into nuance that is not overtly stated in the text, and not meant to be stated overtly. So the only way to convince someone to believe something is to use arguments based on psychology. "What's purple, hangs on the wall, and whistles? But some people are willing, and themselves consider it appropriate, to make an akeidah of the intellect for the fundamentals of faith.Besides, you make it sound as though if a person is convinced that yetziyas Mitzrayim and Matan Torah did not happen as described in the Torah, then there's no reason to be an Orthodox Jew. [I have a lot more to say about Pascal's Wager, including responses to several possible objections to it, but I think this comment is way too long as it is, so I'll hold off on that for now. What are the psychological criteria that make us believe things? One scratch on a ferrari doesn't mean you should chuck the car off a cliff... "IMHO, I think other sciences are a lot more threatening to belief in the divinity of Torah. The Main Limitation(s) Of Rationalism Is/are A. Rationalism is not useful in proving things to be true because it relies on logic that may or may not be true in itself and cannot account for the real world. Ideas Are Not Systematically Tested Against Reality B. Moreover, the census was taken by counting half-shekels given by each member. Again, gematria isn't my thing, but to say that numbers don't have significance, when clearly they do, is just being dishonest.Another example, is that the Torah says that Moshe was 80 years old when he visited Pharoah. Empiricism depends on the validity of sensory input; where human perception is unreliable, empiricism struggles to offer any foundation for knowledge. Akkadian is a Semitic language, with similar phonemes and a lot of cognate vocabulary with Hebrew, so Assyriology would seem to be a natural field for Jews to enter. The dispute between rationalism and empiricism takes place withinepistemology, the branch of philosophy devoted to studying the nature,sources and limits of knowledge. [Sorry about the length of the the following comments, but I've been thinking about this subject for years so I've got a lot to say. This could go on forever. Why sweat the pujas, the Haj, the Comunion or Kashrus? Thus he has always believed that there was such a thing as fate, but such a thing as free will also . It also explores contemporary rationalist approaches, as well as being a forum for various other notes. "This is true.. but that isn't how these things work in the literature. "In my view, although some of the Rishonim applied the rationalist approach to Judaism without limitations, we cannot do so. The plagues are then cited as lasting a year. Several thousand years of religion and we don't yet have a good, clear answer. Rationalism cannot prevent one from making mistakes in life. 'I don't see that such logic necessarily follows at all. I'm just coming across your excellent blog recently...did you ever write the future post you talk about in this comment? Of course, there wouldn't be much of a messorah either! This website is an exploration into the rationalist approach to Judaism that was most famously presented by Maimonides. The number 40 however, is very significant, and is used to describe all the reigns of the leaders of Israel until the Saul. ""Even your defender R. Jeremy Wieder seems to preclude such an option, as I recall:"Rabbi Weider rules out the possibility of allegorically interpreting Matan Torah, the giving of the Torah, correctly noting that it is among the most fundamental of the fundamentals. So I lied a little". Is this true. I accept my family...ancestors & contemporaries.... without being too worried about if they are "right" about everything. As a teenager I spent a summer on the archeology dig that Harvard runs in Ashkalon and the number one impression I came away with was that interpretation of finds requires a great deal of creativity and imagination. "That is a fasinating statement. They point out parallels and they make subjective statements about the event. It's the epitome of she lo leshem Shamaim! This imbalance gives rise to social alienation. Among the leading figures in this are Rav Yoel Bin-Nun, Rav Yaakov Medan, Rav Elhanan Samet and possibly Rav Mordechai Breuer, among numerous others.These studies strongly support the use of archaeology and modern historical and scientific work to understand the Torah/Tanach, including the historical context in which it was received by Am Israel (this is in the spirit of Rav Slifkin's pointing out that the mention of the sea monsters in Bereshit is made in order to demystify them, something that was important at the time of Matan Torah...this is a good example). Furthermore, one is sometimes even allowed to follow one’s own opinion after sufficient study and research. This means to me that Gd spoke to the entire nation, but we don't know how, and we don't know when. Based on the asusmption that the Torah is accurate, the "finding" can be explained logically. Experiential reasons for belief can also be related to motivational reasons (if I didn't trust my experiences then I'd go insane) or rationalist reasons (I've learned to trust my experiences in the past, so I should do so now too).So now for the main question: Can these reasons for belief be used to argue in favor of religion, specifically Judaism? There is the possibility of accepting findings of bible criticism and maintaining one's faith by expanding one's theological understanding of revelation. There seems to me to exist a sort of rationalism which, by not recognizing [the] limits of the powers of individual reason, in fact tends to make human reason a less effective instrument than it could be…[T]he best name for this kind of naïve rationalism is rationalist constructivism. But isn't that exactly what you suggest we do with regards to the origins of the Torah? 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