Articles in your series. Writing about Datomic in a blog post titled, “The New Normal: Data Leverage,” Cognitect VP Michael Nygard explained how the legacy of object-oriented programming (OOP) poorly serves developers in an era when “the majority of our work is with data.” This is why I like working with Datomic. mtnygard@cognitect.com! That architecture requires you to have this approach to failure. In this episode, we talk to Michael Nygard about swarming Formosan termites, circuit breakers, dog piles and all kinds of other interesting topics from the new edition of his book, Michael Nygard: @mtnygard | Wide Awake Developers (Mike’s Blog) | The Cognitect Blog | Release It! I just don't want to put words in his mouth. And so if I have a queue for incoming work, I can multiplex work for many different sources with a single processor, so I have a different way of approaching the workload and maybe I don't need to scale as big for the processor. The Cognicast is produced by Kim Foster. The biggest safety factor in a word processor is the undo feature, right? Maneuverable architecture - Michael Nygard (Cognitect, Inc.) Get O'Reilly Software Architecture Conference 2016 - New York, New York now with O’Reilly online learning. They also come from, I think, an increasing sophistication in our management structures and the processes by which we deliver things. He decided it would never happen again, so he ordered something like four months' worth of parts. Today is Wednesday, June 29th in the year 2016, and this is The Cognicast. In their case they're using Avro, which can actually load definitions dynamically and unpack the message according to that definition, so it's not just a documentation thing. Well, I think everybody can agree that painful deployments are worse than easy deployments. Whereas text messages are asynchronous, and we seem to have, for reasons that maybe aren't super helpful in this conversation, but still we seem to have a strong preference for that asynchronous mode of communication in that realm, even though you're holding the device that is perfectly capable of communicating with the same person synchronously. O’Reilly members experience live online training, plus books, videos, and … But I think there still is something about live music. As we get farther on through the series, it shifts much more into, okay, so how do we go about that? The program itself is static. Where are the circuit breakers against someone getting yelled at and deciding to take action to avoid getting yelled at again from doing that sort of thing? MICHAEL: Yeah. MICHAEL: Sure. Wow. Go there, and you'll see the whole transcript feed. This idea of being able to do things without permission requires a certain kind of architecture. The problem is your company will do something crazy like acquire another company. Welcome to the show, Mike. It's just a set of instructions for how to do something when it actually becomes active. Datomic's transaction time models the time at which data was recorded. Michael Nygard knows this—which is why he's turned to the language of warfare to describe the ongoing campaign that is the agile workflow. I'm going to go back to my first experience going to an actual concert hall and hearing concert music performed live. You've sort of been building a story arch, I think it's fair to say, as you've made these posts. He didn't understand the nature of the just in time system because he had only a local perspective. It works fine for them. I've also observed that there are a number of sort of high velocity, high performance methods, I'll call them, that are fragile to having one person who doesn't understand it acting in some way. MICHAEL: I think the one piece that we haven't even touched on yet is the one about using high leverage tools or sharp tools in our local parlance. I don't think everybody has read it, but I'm sure some people have. MICHAEL: I think the thing about the music being performed live, and particularly in a concert hall, is that it surrounds you to such a degree that it's almost a tactile experience as well as an auditory one. Our guest today was Michael Nygard, on Twitter @MTNygard. CRAIG: How do you protect yourself against that failure? He shares his passion and energy for improvement with everyone he meets, sometimes even with their permission. Cognitect, Inc. You can find Michael coding, writing, speaking, or thinking about how the Universe works. I only need to scale it to catch up within a reasonable SLA. Actually, the more of these continuous partial failures we endure, the stronger our systems get. I do listen to a lot of classical music, and pretty much all classical music is recorded live, other than movie scores where the orchestra is in a studio. @mtnygard. Cognitect Support; Data Modeling; Bitemporal Data Michael Nygard March 04, 2019 17:07. Now you've got two universes of policy numbers. I might not do it on the level of every key just because of the massive overhead implied there. CRAIG: Cool. But I'm just wondering whether you think it might make sense to break here and do a part two in the not too distant future that picks up from here. You can subscribe to The Cognicast, listen to past episodes, and view cover art, show notes, and episode transcripts at our home on the Web, cognitect.com/cognicast. MICHAEL: Yeah, you kind of grabbed me by the lapels. CRAIG: A really fascinating series, and it's interesting. Oh, that button turns everything into," I don't know, "Klingon. We are a collection of experienced, thoughtful technologists, passionate about helping organizations deploy 01:42 - Mike’s Background and Career Path Thus Far 02:59 - Complex Systems The Complexity Explorer 06:22 - … If you extend your viewpoint out to the organizational scale, if you require outages in order to deploy software, you have to coordinate deployments across teams. Michael Nygard is the Vice President of Customer Solutions at Cognitect. mtnygard. I'm definitely looking forward to it. I am wondering too. You want to break that down and say, all right, no more shared dependencies. I think your insights are amazing and valuable, and it's really been cool to see the series develop. I think, again, maybe I'm putting words in your mouth, but it seems like that plays very much into the various threads that you're tying together. This is the thread of anti-fragility working its way through. It's the abnormal state. MICHAEL: But I have plenty of examples of the kind of thing you're talking about. I've said before that I think – I'm going to maybe catch flack for this, but I think JSON was really a step backwards from XML. If any two pieces of it have a bad day, they have the same birthday, and so that probability very quickly goes rapidly towards 100%, as the number of pieces involved moves above some fairly small number. You're not producing the desired effect directly as you would be with constructing a home, if that makes any sense. MICHAEL: Yeah, so this is going to sound kind of mundane, but from several conversations I've had lately, I would recommend that everyone listening should learn how to read a company's balance sheet and its cash flow statement. When you're talking about without permission, do you mean like without prior agreement that they are going to be a customer of your service or a consumer of your service? Cognitect, Inc. Speaker site. They looked at me like I had two heads. CRAIG: But in any event, that idea that that stuff should also have quality attributes that you care about, all of the stuff around the code, like we all care that our code works, is efficient, et cetera. We went all the way down into technical and all the way up into the organizational philosophical. Anyone that owns a home knows that they're also never done, but you're not generally adding new rooms or taking the roof off or building a second home right next to it. 01:42 - Mike’s Michael Nygard October 17, 2013 Technology 2 650. EuroClojure is taking place in Bratislava, Slovakia, October 25th and 26th in 2016. Wow. Yeah, they're mutually reinforcing ideas, which is why kind of laying them out in a linear fashion in words is challenging. Block user. Meaning, just like the systems we create for our users inside a company, those are the production systems by which our users do their job. Being able to undo that is great. TRANSCRIPT CRAIG : Hello, and welcome to Episode 106 of The Cognicast, a podcast by Cognitect, Inc. about software and the people who create it. Well, I'll say I've never developed the audio engineering expertise to achieve that in a home setup. That was the one I happened to use. Michael Nygard strives to raise the bar and ease the pain for developers around the world. And I don't see that coming out of any of the large-scale Agile efforts. We certainly don't have to stop right now, but do you think it would make sense to kind of make this part one of two and come back maybe after you've had a chance to write a few more episodes in your series? Living with systems in production taught Michael about the … And so I wonder whether there's any juice in the metaphor of building a factory. MICHAEL: Then we start getting into factories for making factories and that becomes even harder to visualize. Michael Nygard strives to raise the bar and ease the pain for developers around the world. A phone call is synchronous, right? With SOA, when you publish your service, you then have to communicate with some other group to make it visible through the ESP and to publish your message formats and to make sure that you meet all the governance requirements. What is this idea or set of ideas you're trying to get across? Here are all the folks from Cognitect who either committed code directly, or contributed significantly to research and design: Timothy Baldridge David Chelimsky Benoît Fleury Fogus Stuart Halloway Rich Hickey George Kierstein Carin Meier Alex Miller Michael Nygard Ghadi Shayban Joseph Smith Marshall Thompson. With JavaFX. You want to create a process that makes it easy to deal with. It's like a soccer team, I think is how I heard it described, or a soccer game, but it's a very low number. The show is available on iTunes! Michael has written and co-authored several books, including "97 Things Every Software Architect Should Know" and the best seller "Release It! In fact, most of the books on SOA are about SOA governance. Yeah, and to be clear, I was paraphrasing Tim. Do you think that's a fair statement? Really, you definitely are one of my favorite people to have conversations with. If the conveyor belt is bolted to the floor, then I'm not going to be able to run it past the new paint shed or whatever it is that needs to happen. CRAIG: Mm-hmm. So you can say, "I'm going to make the synchronous call. I do own some live albums that I generally enjoy. MICHAEL: To me, by the way, this answers one of the common questions about microservices from people coming from traditional environments. CRAIG: Hmm. And so we've actually created a separate feed for the transcripts. Michael Nygard, achitect @Cognitect & author of the bestseller "Release It!" MICHAEL: I definitely see where you're going. When accounting finds out about this, they have to take it as a write-off and all kinds of ugliness happens to mark it as a disposed asset and so on. Michael T. 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